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Healing Mold Toxicity: Dr. Terri Fox's Guide to Recovery and Wellness

• Dr. Terri Fox • Season 2024 • Episode 103

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Discover the transformative world of functional medicine with Dr. Terri Fox, a leading expert in mold toxicity from Boulder, Colorado. Learn how environmental toxins, particularly mycotoxins from water-damaged buildings, contribute to chronic illness and what you can do to heal. Dr. Fox outlines a two-phase treatment protocol focusing on safe detox, antifungals, and biofilm disruptors, alongside essential recovery strategies like infrared saunas, gut health, and mitochondrial support. Unlock actionable insights and explore Dr. Fox’s Mold Treatment Master Class to take control of your health and well-being.

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Nika Lawrie:

Welcome to the Inspired with Nika Lawrie podcast. Dr Terry Fox, welcome to the show. I'm so happy to have you here today.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, so we were talking just a little bit before we started recording, because we're going to talk about mold toxicity today and, like I said to you earlier, I'm really excited to learn from you because I know a lot about toxins, or toxics really, and endocrine disruptors and all the different chemicals that are impacting us, but molds play such a huge role and it's kind of in that toxicity world and so I'm really excited to learn from you about that today.

Dr. Terri Fox:

I'm excited.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, so you are a functional medicine doctor based in Boulder, Colorado. Can you tell me a little bit about your backstory? How did you get into functional medicine and what really inspired you to head down that route?

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah. So I really sort of wanted to be a naturopath and was always, you know, very I always gravitated towards the natural world and the natural approach and I have a background in medicinal herbs, western medicinal herbs, awesome and I sort of just figured if I could get through medical school and residency, then I could integrate, you know, integrative holistic medicine and learn functional medicine, and that if I went to, you know, naturopathic school or something else, it's not the reverse, is not true? And so I sort of had that desire from the outset. Yeah, and so then after my residency, I did a board certification in integrative holistic medicine and then I studied a lot of functional medicine. I did all their modules, awesome and then I did functional medicine for schedules and then I did functional medicine for, I don't know 20 years, and maybe 10 years in or something, it became apparent that a lot of the most sick people that don't really respond to the normal functional medicine approaches all had a lot of biotoxin illness, which is like mold toxicity, lyme disease, lyme co-infections, and so then I sort of pivoted into learning a lot about that and then it's one of those things as soon as you start learning a little bit, they just walk in your door.

Dr. Terri Fox:

So somehow now people just walk in and they go. I am mold, help me.

Nika Lawrie:

Oh my gosh. Well, I think it's because there's such a need for it and so few people that are really one just an expert in it but also just really talking about the issue. You know, building awareness it's. So few people realize how devastating mold exposure can be and then kind of the prevalence of Lyme disease in the last few years too, seems like it's really increased quite a bit as well.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, absolutely.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, Can you? So let's just start from the basics. Can you just talk about what is mold toxicity and how does that really impact? Or how can that lead to creating chronic conditions in people?

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, so mold, and when I'm speaking about mold I'm speaking about water-damaged building molds, not like outdoor molds in the trees, but so some of the molds that can grow in water damaged buildings release mycotoxins. So mycotoxins are the toxins that mold releases that is pathogenic or disease causing to humans. And so what can happen is you know you get, you're in a house and maybe you don't know that there's mold, and you know it's a, it's a humid day, and eventually you breathe, you know, a spore into your sinuses or you start breathing mycotoxins. And then it turns out that and I think this number is changing for a variety of reasons we could get into but it used to be that only 25% of the population is sensitive to mold. So it can be pretty confusing in a family when only one person or two people out of four is sick. And then how could it possibly be the house? So you know it can make it a little tricky to figure out.

Dr. Terri Fox:

But so what happens is so a lot of these mycotoxins are neurotoxins, which means they attack our nervous system, so our central nervous system, our peripheral nerves, and what can happen over time is that your bucket will fill up with these mycotoxins, and if it fills all the way up to the top and overflows. Then the system crashes. And so I talk a lot about with my patients total body burden and so you know sometimes maybe you could have tolerated a certain amount of mold in the house. But then you know, so you're born and let's say you have a bucket full of toxins and infections and things and you get some exposure to plastics and pesticides and glyphosate and then maybe you have some biotoxin from Lyme or Lyme co-infections and then maybe you got a couple COVIDs with a lot of inflammation and then you end up in a moldy place and your bucket overflows and the system crashes.

Nika Lawrie:

That's such a great way to. It's such a good metaphor to kind of explain the overall, you know, environmental toxins that we're exposed to, and yeah.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, when I find by the time people have come to me their system has crashed and so you can, you know sort of work on any of those parts of the bucket you know heavy metals, environmental exposures I find mold to be really, really treatable and a really great diagnosis because people do so well and you feel better the whole way. There's not like a getting worse before you get better, like with Lyme or some other things. The hard part of mold is if you're still in a moldy building and you have to either move or sell it or remediate it, then it's hard but actually treating it and the clinical turnaround is amazing. So when I have somebody with a system crash and a full bucket and if there's mold, I almost always just start there because a lot of times that's enough to lower the total body burden so that you're not so symptomatic and you have a little more resiliency to the world.

Nika Lawrie:

What are some of the symptoms that you see like when people come into your office? What are the most common ones? How do we start to identify that? It may be a more issue, yeah.

Dr. Terri Fox:

So I'll sort of tell you all of them and then I'll tell you some of the most common. So you can kind of you begin to see patterns?

Dr. Terri Fox:

yeah, yeah. So fatigue, brain fog, cognitive dysfunctions of all kinds, word recall, memory loss, difficulty focus, concentration, and then a lot of headaches and migraines, a lot of insomnia and anxiety, depression in some, and then a lot of unusual neurological symptoms and presentations that don't fit into any neurological diagnosis. So like you can have asymmetrical numbness, tingling, weakness, burning muscle fasciculations, weakness, burning muscle fasciculations, like involuntary muscle movements. You can get dizzy, ataxic, which means your balance is off ice, pick sensations, burning sensations, a lot of weird neurological stuff. And then there's a rapid weight gain or weight loss. That's sort of an unexplainable weight gain or weight loss. And's sort of an unexplainable weight gain or weight loss and that's always a tip off for me. And then in kids it presents a lot more neuropsych. So headaches and tummy aches are common fatigue and some brain fog, but it's also a lot more like OCD and tics and sensory integration, anxiety, depression and you can get PANS from mold. Are you familiar with? I'm not. No, what is PANS? Yeah, pediatric Acute Onset Neuropsychiatric Syndrome.

Nika Lawrie:

Oh, okay, I have heard of that before, but yeah. You probably know what PANS does, yeah.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, yeah, so it can cause PANS in kids and those are, you know, that's the majority of you know there's some visual changes. But when in a history, when somebody has, you know, fatigue, brain fog, maybe either anxiety or insomnia, and then they also have some neurological things and then also some weight gain or weight loss, you know, and then I, the way I work with patients is, I'll go through the timeline, so like, well, where were you living when you first got sick and then, and then, for how long, where were you here? And then sometimes you can just tell like, oh well, it started when I was, you know, three months after I moved into this place in Portland, and you know, and then they've got all the symptoms and said, wow, it's worth it to do the test.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, yeah, do you find I know so. I live in New Mexico where it's pretty arid and dry. There's not a whole lot of moisture here, so we don't tend to see a lot of mold, though there is. You know, we do have to be careful with our showers, bathrooms, those kind of places. Do you find that you see clients more from? You know the Midwest, where it's kind of wetter, or back east? What do you start to see?

Dr. Terri Fox:

I see it all over yeah.

Dr. Terri Fox:

So, regardless of the climate, Definitely, in a very humid climate it is a lot harder to get to find yourself a clean space, but, like here at Boulder, it's also really dry. But we had in 2013, we had this huge flood and because it's so dry like we don't, nobody here knows what to do when you have water damage. So like people just put a fan on the wet carpet and the wet drywall and just left it and then two years later they're all sickening in my office, um, and so you know, it's pretty hard to find a not moldy space where in boulder and denver is kind of the same and they didn't have the flood it's not quite as bad, um, but yeah, I mean, I think it's a little trickier in a really humid climate, but we we kind of see it all over I remember that flood my my sister lives in boulder.

Nika Lawrie:

She's been up there for years now and I remember that flood and how crazy it was and her dealing with it and oh my gosh, and I feel so horrible for the all of florida and north carolina I know I just keep getting flooded and flooded again.

Nika Lawrie:

I feel so worried for all those people yeah, it's, it's so scary, I know, and how much you know. The weather's changing, climate change and all these things too. So but anyways, back to the mold toxicity. How so, once you have the symptoms, you go see a physician? How are you guys testing for it? What are the methods and how do you figure out if people are actually having mold issues?

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah. So I recommend urinary mycotoxin testing, and so what that means is you know, you take a urine sample and you're looking for those toxins that mold releases. And there's two that I like to use. My favorite is Real-Time Labs, mostly because it's been around the longest and I trust it and I kind of know the people over there. It's very specific, meaning you don't get a lot of false positives or false positives from foods as opposed to water, damaged buildings, but it's not as sensitive, so you'll miss a decent amount of people.

Dr. Terri Fox:

So I do a really big provocation meaning so that the people that get sick from mold are the ones that can't detox it, they can't metabolize it and get it out in the urine, the stool and the sweat, and so you know, if you just do a spot urine on them, you might not catch it, because if they were metabolizing it they might probably not end up in my office. And so I do an IV of phosphatidylcholine and glutathione and then we collect the urine after and then I also, like Vibrant, does a mycotoxin test. That I think is pretty legit. I like theirs too. Awesome. But those are what.

Nika Lawrie:

I recommend Okay, and so most people are going to go into an office to see a physician. It's not something that they can likely test at home just to see if they have that exposure.

Dr. Terri Fox:

They can, they can. So the Vibrant does not need to be provoked and you can just do that. One does not need to be provoked and you can just do that one. And if you don't have access to you know me or someone like me, would I be like that? Then you do as much liposomal glutathione for like five days before and then you try to do an infrared sauna or at the very least like a detox bath before the real-time labs. One to provoke it. Yeah, okay, that makes sense, definitely.

Nika Lawrie:

So I want to ask when we so let's just come up with you know a fake client or patient, right? So we know they have the symptoms, they come in, they get the test, they test positive for having these molds, the exposure. So what does it look like? I want to kind of do a comparison of what it would look like to do a more conventional treatment versus how you would treat them with more of a holistic or functional medicine approach. Can you break out what the two differences and what they might look like, if there is a difference at all?

Dr. Terri Fox:

So it's a fun question. So I don't think there is a conventional approach to mold. Okay, well then that's the answer. Yeah, I don't think allopathic medicine believes in mold yet.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Maybe, maybe it was a trick question, right. Right, I think you know the way I treat it might be a little bit more functionally and holistically oriented, but I think anybody treating it is in that world.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, Okay, makes sense. So what does that look like a treatment for you? How do you start supporting these individuals?

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah.

Dr. Terri Fox:

So you know, I tend to see pretty chronically ill, complex patients, and so the beginning, you know, when we first get the mycotoxin test back. So there's different binders that bind different strains of mycotoxins and so you have to know which ones you have in order to know which binders to take. So binders are things like activated charcoal that night clay, clostyramine, you know some other things, and that's sort of one of the pitfalls of the things that people they try to treat it themselves and they just go on one binder and it might be the wrong binder. That's, yeah, that was one of the questions I was going to ask. Yeah, yeah, that's kind of a common one. So there's specific binders for specific strains of mycotoxins and so I split my treatment into two phases. So phase one is basically teaching the body how to pull out these mycotoxins, and we do that through, you know, gradually increasing binders and doing all the right binders we need for your unique mycotoxin load. We do liposomal glutathione, because that's critical in order to detox and metabolize these mycotoxins, get them out in the urine, the stool and the sweat. And then, you know, I do a lot of organ detox support, so kidney, liver, lymph drainage, so you can just begin using your own detoxification channels to begin draining that bucket down a little bit. And then you know there's a couple other parts to that, to phase one. And then I also give them a biotoxin relief handout that gives you all the things that help pull out mycotoxins, things like infrared sauna and ionic foot baths and you know stuff like that.

Dr. Terri Fox:

And so they. You know however long it takes in phase one for them to get up to full doses of binders and having daily movements because they're constipating. And once they've done that for four weeks then the body's usually ready for phase two, usually ready for phase two. But I have people go up real gradually on their binders, making sure they feel nothing or better before increasing doses. So in mold you really don't want to suffer in your protocol because it just doesn't get there any faster. You're mobilizing things to different parts of the body, certain diseases that we treat. There's a little bit of discomfort and pain you have to get through. But if you're doing the mold protocol right you should always feel better and nothing. And so, yeah, that's phase one is sort of training the body how to pull out these things and beginning to lower that total body burden.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, so you said there was a second phase. What is that phase?

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah. So phase two is antifungals and biofilm. So the theory is that if this is from a previous exposure, these mycotoxins we're finding in the urine, that you know. Let's say you first got sick somewhere you lived a few years ago. You don't live there anymore. What can happen is you can colonize in the upper respiratory tract or the GI tract and that just means that you sort of brought it with you. It's sort of in you.

Dr. Terri Fox:

And the example I always use is you know, imagine you're sleeping in a house at mold and it's a humid day and you know, eventually the spores are sporulating in the air and the breathing air and you might breathe one up into your. The sinuses are the most common place of colonization and they can stick and then they can replicate and have babies and build communities and families. And then they aggregate together and they form a colony and then they create this glycoprotein matrix around them that's called biofilm and that protects them from our immune system. So like we can't really, our immune cells can't really see past the biofilm and our antifungal agents can't get us biofilm either. So phase two so you can imagine, in phase one we're binding all these toxins and we're lowering that total body burden. But if there's mold actually living in us, it's going to continue to release more mycotoxins. So you might be able to kind of keep your boat afloat by bucketing out the water, but you're going to have to do that forever, unless we actually get at the source yeah.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, and so the source is, you know getting doing antifungals and you know do a lot of liver support with that, and then at the very end we open up biofilm and we open up biofilm and so yeah, so it's.

Dr. Terri Fox:

I feel like it's so. It's a kind of a complicated protocol, like binders have to be done two hours away, blah, blah, blah. But like I said, I mean people they do really well. Like two weeks on the right binders, you get a turnaround if they're no longer being exposed, and then once you start them on antifungals, then you really get a big clinical turnaround usually, and so, yeah, that's lovely, that's huge yeah.

Nika Lawrie:

I'm glad you kind of covered that, because I was going to ask about kind of the inflammatory response to it and what that looks like in the body and how is the body response to it and what that looks like in the body and how, how is the body? You kind of answered it, but you know, is the body able to attack and remove these on their own? It doesn't really sound like they're able to.

Dr. Terri Fox:

So if you didn't colonize, you'll get better all the way better. In phase one you won't need antifungals, but yeah, so another part of it that's important for people out there to know if they're trying to find their way through a mold treatment protocol is the reason that there's like two phases and it's because there's a specific order so that you don't make yourself more sick. So when you add an antifungal in and it kills colonized mold in the system, when you kill it it releases those mycotoxins. So if you start somebody on an antifungal, you're just flooding their system with more of the very same thing that made them sick in the first place. And so, like the body has to really be trained. Like when you release those that catch the binders catch them. Yeah, same with biofilm. Imagine if I just opened up that biofilm in the beginning and just flooded this system. Yeah, so that's you know just kind of the importance of. It is like the order and and basically not doing too much too fast, not trying to force your body to detox more than it can.

Nika Lawrie:

That definitely makes sense. Yeah, so talking about the detox piece, what are some of the other pieces that you might have people work on or do or use as a supportive tool to support their overall detox process? So think about the livers and kidney and skin and all that kind of stuff. Are there other things that you have them do alongside the treatments?

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, so well, drainage is supporting, you know, supporting all your organ detox. But I can actually send it to you. I'll send you my biotoxin relief guide later, awesome.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, so things like detox baths, which are six cups of Epsom salts and six cups of baking soda those will pull mycotoxins and other biotoxins out of the body. And then infrared sauna is amazing. Ionic foot baths are amazing. They're a little bit harder to find. Lymphatic drainage is amazing, but be careful, too much can tank the system. Also, you want to start real slow and gentle with that. I mean, there's so many, there's ivs, so we do a lot of iv, glutathione, phosphatidylcholine. That pulls out a ton of these mycotoxins. Um, people can even do iv saline and it'll flush out a certain, a certain amount. And, um, yeah, glutathione binders yeah, what other ones are you thinking of?

Nika Lawrie:

I think you covered most of the ones I was thinking of too. Yeah, there's more. Yeah, I mean tons of them, just the whole staying hydrated through the whole process as well. Yeah, yeah. So you mentioned how it relates to the gut earlier. Can you talk a little bit about gut health and how that plays a role in the recovery? Or, if it does, I guess, yeah.

Dr. Terri Fox:

So you can theoretically colonize in the GI tract from an exposure. You can imagine we could breathe it and swallow it down our esophagus. We don't usually see mold on stool studies but theoretically it can colonize in the GI tract and I do see in mold patients quite a bit of GI dysfunction. And so you have to get somebody at least moving daily, having daily complete bowel movements, because that's how we're binding and pulling out these mycotoxins is through the GI tract and that's a major form of detoxification. And so if they're not having daily movements, yeah, we're not going to get anywhere. But interestingly I find you know I have a lot of patients that you know more IBS-ish, you know where they alternate between diarrhea and constipation and they get really worried about taking the binders because they're constipating and they think it's going to really mess them up. And oftentimes it regulates the system and I can't even explain why exactly. But you get all the binders on board.

Dr. Terri Fox:

You find your magnesium. I start with magnesium citrate. There's a ton of other things we can use to soften the stools and have daily complete movements. And so when they get on full doses and then they find their cocktail of mag citrate or whatever it is, it helps them have daily movements. A lot of times it just it sort of resets their old alternating diarrhea and constipation just often go away. I used to really feel like we had to get it somewhat regulated before we start. And then now over the years I've just found like just start it and increase the mag, just increase the mag, and it really does just sort of normalize it.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, Interesting, yeah, it's funny. I think when you support one part of the body, the rest of it really starts to kind of figure out how to heal itself. You know, and it really is that full system right where you just got to make sure yeah, each part's supported.

Nika Lawrie:

What do you find is useful? If there are things that help people? So they've been exposed, they've come to you, they've gotten the support, they've, you know, potentially fixed the issue or at least gotten it to a spot where they're feeling much better, what are things that they can do to help continue to feel better long term afterwards? Do you see that? You know, ideally they're not in the same environment where they were exposed, but do you see this come back again? Are there things that they have to do to keep their body healthy long-term?

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, so there's a good at least four categories here. So one is you know I do some mitochondrial resuscitation or repetition afterwards, so your body will use up all your glutathione and your other antioxidants trying to get these mycotoxins out, and so they end up really depleted. Binders can bind some nutrients, so mold is depleting, the treatment is depleting, and so you can end up with quite a few of the things you need for good mitochondrial function are really low, and so so we do a lot of I do a lot of repletion, and then so I treat every mold patient for yeast. What I have found over the years is that where there's mold, there's yeast, and mold creates all the right conditions for yeast to flourish, and we know now that water damaged buildings often have yeast in them as well, not just mold, you know, and you've probably heard of have yeast in them as well, not just mold.

Dr. Terri Fox:

You know and you've probably heard of, there's endotoxins and gram negative bacteria and all that stuff too. But I have found that yeast is often a huge part of a mold case. Sometimes it's a small part, but a lot of times it's a big part. So I will always work on yeast. I'll start somewhere during and I'll make sure that that is complete by the time we're done. And then there's a lot of nervous system resetting that we have to do, different categories, one being limbic retraining, one being, you know, working on vagal toning, the polyvagal theory.

Dr. Terri Fox:

You know you could have a whole other section on, just, you know, breath work and meditation, and you know grounding and you know all those things. But what happens is, once you have been really sick from mold and then you finally get better, your nervous system is terrified. It's going to happen again, and so you might walk into a movie theater and smell mold and get some, you know, bizarre symptom back. So like I have a patient who when he walks into a moldy building he feels like there's water running down the backs of his legs.

Nika Lawrie:

Oh my gosh.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Like the bizarre neurological symptoms. But so you get this symptom and then you know your limbic system fires and your adrenals fire and you panic. You're, unconsciously, you know, you panic and what that does is that increases the inflammatory response that the mold is doing in your body. So it's not to say it's in your head, but your head's making it worse, right, yeah, and so so at some point you know that has to get sort of dealt with and worked on. And and then also, because mold is not recognized by the Western medical community, my patients often have a lot of medical trauma, you know, coming into this because they've seen 20 to 40 specialists, they've gone to the Mayo Clinic, they've been told over and over there's nothing wrong with you. They've been told they're crazy. You know they've been offered an antidepressant and so then they have, you know, not only the trauma of being chronically ill and not being able to take care of your kids or work or, you know, do the things that you love, but then you've got this trauma from the medical community. And so you know a lot of that just has to really get worked on, and that you know that can be a long process, yeah, but it's pretty important because most of us, you know it, was traumatic. When we had the mold exposure you know it was, our lives fell apart and so of course there's fear of it happening again, and it does happen again. I mean, mold is everywhere, you know, and we live in these buildings made of mold food. They're made of cellulose, the food that mold loves, and that's kind of the fourth category that we work on. So part of tolerance is, you know, lowering that total body burden in your bucket so that you have bandwidth to be able to tolerate the world and other exposures that don't you know. Then tip your bucket again so you have a little bit more resiliency.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, and I actually forget what I was starting to tell you. I don't remember Lymphic retraining, nervous system retraining. Oh yeah, I try to get my patients to just trust that if your body has learned how to do this before, it's going to be this much quicker the next time you need to do it. It already does and you know what to do. You're not going to sit there getting silently poisoned. You know, without your knowing, you're going to realize the symptoms. You're going to be, you know, hypervigilant at first, but just trust that your body, you know what to do. Now, your body knows what to do and you can get better, just like you did before, and it'll never take that long again and you'll never get as sick as you were, because you know too much.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, I was thinking about you talking about the medical trauma piece too. Is that part of the resiliency now is that they know they aren't crazy, they know that they can get help, that there are people out there and there's information out there that will help them heal too. I hear basically every podcast person I've interviewed over the last four or five years. Their story starts out well. I went to see all these doctors and they told me I was fine, but obviously I was sick and so I had to go figure it out myself. I mean, I would say 80 to 90% of the people I've interviewed have said that Most of my clients have come to me asking for support because they aren't able to figure it out in the traditional world like kind of the healthcare world, and so really starting to address it in more holistic manners and to be just heard, I think is such an important part of that.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Oh my gosh it is. It's so important Like I. I patients cry in here all the time because they're just like nobody's ever actually listened or believed me. I'm hoping it will change. There's a lot more awareness around mold generally. I'm hoping things will change. I'm on the medical advisory panel for the Change the Air Foundation. I don't know if you're familiar with that.

Dr. Terri Fox:

I don't know a lot about, but I do know about them and hearth that side of thing of things. But they're also really trying to pass legislation so that renters have rights and you know that this is considered. You know something that you can bring into the legal system when you've been really sick and that there's laws to protect you.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, so important, so important. Well, I want to just commend you for, you know, one, you know kind of being a leader in this area and really being able to help and support your patients and bringing education and awareness to the issue, but also just for being someone that listens to them and being there for them. So thank you for the work you're doing. I truly appreciate it for the whole community. Thank you so much. Yeah, definitely so. I have two more questions for you, but before I get to those questions, what is something that you would like to share with people struggling with a mold illness, like just a message of hope or guidance, or however you want to share that?

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, or however, you want to share that, yeah. So what I want people to know is that it is really it is not a death sentence. It is a very treatable diagnosis. People do really well, there's a great clinical turnaround and you can get better and you know you will get better if you find the right framework or the you know the right way to do it and so so, yeah, I would just say, you know, hang in there and you know, find the right road for you. And I mean, I don't have any mold patients that don't get better.

Nika Lawrie:

They do great.

Dr. Terri Fox:

That's awesome, yeah, and I I created a course based on my mold eradication protocol in the phase one and phase two that people can do themselves, and it's pretty handheld and spoon-fed and pretty gentle. It's designed to try to keep people from making themselves more sick by going too fast.

Nika Lawrie:

So important. That was going to be one of my second questions. Oh yeah, when can the audience find you or connect with you and how can they learn more from you? So obviously of your course? What is the name of your course and where can they find that?

Dr. Terri Fox:

um dr fox's uh mold. So many different names of the different parts. Mold treatment master class, perfect, I'll link that in the show notes yeah, great, and it's dr fox medical detectivecom.

Nika Lawrie:

I loved that name. I saw that. Yeah, oh fun.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Oh good, so that's where you can find. I did a bunch of webinars on mold toxicity, so there's, you can watch a webinar replay and you can learn about the course. Yeah, and so. So that's where you would go for that. And then there's also a free mold prevention guide If you sign up for the newsletter that's available, and then I'll also give you a coupon code for your Perfect. Yeah, awesome.

Nika Lawrie:

I'll put everything in the show notes. Make it as easy as possible.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, I think. I think your coupon code is inspired 100.

Nika Lawrie:

Awesome, okay, let me write that down, so I got it.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Yeah, and then my clinic is boulderholisticcom.

Nika Lawrie:

Yeah, I got that too. So my last question for you, dr Fox. It's something I ask all the guests, but what is something that has inspired you? Either that's happened or that you've learned throughout your life that you would like to share with the audience.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Oh, that's such a sweet question. I mean, I feel pretty strongly around. Just do something that you love that makes a contribution in the world, that that's kind of where our happiness comes from. Yeah, you know we spend a lot of time doing whatever our work is, and if you love what you do, then you're going to end up being pretty happy, absolutely.

Nika Lawrie:

I love it too. Yeah, I think just you know, spending your time doing what you love inspires other people to spend time doing what they love. So yeah. Well, dr Fox, thank you so much for your time, for your information, for your education on this topic. It's been so, so helpful, so I really appreciate it, thank you.

Dr. Terri Fox:

Oh, thank you for having me and thank you for the work that you do.

Nika Lawrie:

Oh, thank you.

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